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本帖最后由 Paradox 于 2014-12-1 02:10 编辑
第八回,开版主题是“Why haven't you hugged the cutest mind reader today, /jp/?”
看起来像是抱住小觉好好揉揉的日常话题,不过意外地也出现了不少CP的讨论(
其实我已开始觉得百合是不是在阿外中占比重很小呢
毕竟之前那么多的讨论就都像是“觉与她的无脸男(或触手tentacle)丈夫”(摔
所以啊这一回为了给CP讨论铺路我是会不惮上图的,接招吧小水管!
【62、开版题头】

Why haven't you hugged the cutest mind reader today, /jp/? You don't want to hurt her feelings do you?
“今天为什么还没有抱一下最可爱的读心者,绅士们?你们不想伤她的心对吧?”
how would she feel if she read my mind but I had no opinion on her
“她会怎么觉得如果她读到我的想法我对她无感呢?”
I guess she'd like it. That's close enough to not being hated.
“我猜她会喜欢这的。那跟没有被讨厌几乎差不多。”
Especially since if there's no opinion she could try and make the initially formed opinion a good one.
“尤其正因为你对她无感,所以她可以试着去创造一个好的出来。”
而那也正是吾辈安利之信仰
【63、觉空】

She gets plenty of hugs from Okuu.
“她从阿空那里就收到很多抱抱了。”

That's because Okuu is a good pet who loves her master.
“那是因为阿空是一个爱她的主人的好宠物。”

【回复带图】
空:“啊……”
空:“妈咪————呜妞……”
觉:“噢这可真是”
空:“呜妞~……”
觉:“我的女儿都长这么大了!”
空:“妞~……”
燐:“(萌!)”
>master
She prefers to call her "mommy"
“(主人
她更喜欢喊她‘妈咪’”
话说阿燐你这里是在萌哪边呢?另外不上前也做点什么吗?
I can see Satori being a good motherly figure.
“我能想象见觉做一个好母亲的。”
Okuu would be a really good daughter too. They love each other.
“阿空也会是一位非常好的女儿的。她们相亲相爱。”
【64】
How deep does Satori read minds? If she looks at someone does she hear all their deepest memories or just the scattered surface thoughts.
“觉能读取到多深的思想?如果她看着一个人她是能够听到他所有最深的记忆,还是只是一些浅层的想法?”
If she can see and mimic danmaku battles from people's pasts, I think it's safe to guess that she can see other things in their pasts too.
“如果她可以从一个人的过去看到并模拟出来那些弹幕战,那我想差不多可以认为她还能够看到在过去中其它的事情。”
She has to hypnotize who she's fighting into remembering those cards first, though.
“她得首先催眠对手进入回忆那些符卡,虽然。”
That's because of the game rules
“那是因为游戏规则。”
What rules?
“什么规则?”
Spell Card System
“符卡系统。”
我猜他是想说因为游戏过程就是这么设计的,即我们看到的能力表现只是其在符卡系统下游乐化后了的样子——换句话说就是要动起真格来你们这些人类就没得打啦(掀
【65】

【纯图,以下是觉的独白】
“每一天我都会被【哔】……”
“被我在街上遇到的人,被同学,还有被老师。”
“被有着和蔼步伐的老人家们。”
“每一天,在他们的念头里,我会被【哔】。”
“反反复复……没有办法可以抵抗。”
“在外表上,没有人表现出一点对幼童感兴趣的迹象。但在他们的念头里,同样的人却成为了野兽。”
“这还要持续下去多久……?”
“但我只能……学会习惯……”
You know, that image raises a good question. What happens if you start dating her and then have "those" kind of thoughts flash through your mind by accident? I mean, it's like having a raging boner, but there's no way to hide it from her. What do?
“(回复上图)你知道的,这幅图提出了一个好问题。如果你开始和她约会然后在脑海里意外闪过‘那种’想法那会发生什么?我指,这很可能会是件令人勃然大怒的蠢事,但又没有办法对她藏起这些。咋办?”

She's lived for who-knows-how-long. She's probably seen it all at this point. There's no way to hide it from her, so why bother trying? You can apologize for your sexual nature, but at the same time you are a biological entity and are thus victim to your own subconscious. Unless you get Koishi to excise your lust, naughty thoughts aren't going to go away, though you can attempt to restrain them as a matter of basic courtesy.
“(1/3)她已经活过了天知道有多久。她大概此时什么都见识过了。既然没有办法对她藏起这些,那何苦要去试呢?你可以为你的性的天性道个歉,但同时作为生物的个体你只不过是在服从潜意识罢了。除非你让恋摘掉你的色欲,没规没矩的想法这样就不会冒出来,不过你也可以试着去自己去控制它,作为一种最基本的礼貌。”
I don't think it'd bother her overmuch, honestly, given how she took home invasion in stride, even going so far as to offer Reimu tea in a misguided but gallant attempt at politely talking down a tsunami. It is her job to herd the vengeful spirits of Old Hell, and no matter what you think I doubt it's worse than they.
“(2/3)我不觉得那会太困扰她——真的——鉴于她是怎样从容应对入侵者的,甚至于邀请灵梦坐下来喝口茶,试着在用转移重点但又勇敢的手段来友善地平息一场海啸。她的工作就是管理旧地狱的怨灵,不管你想了什么我都怀疑那能糟得过它们。”
I imagine that it'd be really, really embarrassing for a good long while, but you'd eventually get used to it. She can't help but read minds, you can't help but be a sexual creature, and you learn to accommodate one another. If you can't, the relationship was doomed from the start.
“(3/3)我猜想那是会非常、非常的尴尬并且得持续上好一段时间,但你会最终习惯的。她没法左右自己的读心,你也没法左右自己是一个有性生物,你们学会去适应对方。如果你做不到的话,那么这段关系从一开始就不会有好结果。”

>She's probably seen it all at this point.
I don't think she has experienced the explicit lewdness and moral decadence of our modern society.
She may have read the minds of a few outsiders, but I think she'll be in for a big surprise when she reads the mind of a fetishist and perverted /jp/er.
“(她大概此时什么都见识过了。
我不认为她有经历过详尽的那些我们现代社会中的下流以及道德颓丧。
她也许有读过一些外来人的想法,但我想她还是会大吃一惊的当读到一个怪癖者或变态绅士的念头时。”
这个讨论实在太厉害,我都不知道该找哪里的气氛吐槽才好
【66、觉神子】

/jp/ has no experience with women. Leave it to the Prince.
“绅士们缺乏对女人的经验。让给王子来吧。”
I'm surprisingly alright with this. Maybe because they're both mind readers?
“我发现自己意外地接受这一对。也许因为她们都是读心者?”

Miko is not, strictly speaking, a mind reader. Satori has full access to all your thoughts, including your deepest and darkest ones, and is capable of dredging them up to the surface as she pleases or rooting around in there. Miko is somewhat more limited, in that she can only hear what you desire, but makes up for the reduced ability with being an immortal Taoist master with a frankly absurd amount of charisma and political acumen, both of which Satori lacks.
“神子并不是——严格地说——一位读心者。觉能接触到你全部的想法,包括你最深的以及最黑暗的那些,并且她能够将它们发掘到表面上来,只要她愿意或者是为了方便搜寻。神子就稍为太有限了,她只能听得到你所欲求的,但对这次一点能力的弥补是作为一位不朽的道学大师有着坦白说破表的个人魅力以及政治敏锐,而这都是觉所缺少的。”
That's what I thought too, but Koishi's HM scenario with Miko seems to imply that Miko has similar abilities to Satori, so I'm not entirely sure what's correct anymore.
“(以前)我也是这么想的,但在恋的心琦楼剧情中对神子似乎暗示了神子有着与觉相似的能力,所以我不再完全确信哪边是对的了。”
It is an odd implication, but I think I'll stick with my current understanding of Miko's abilities based on what we explicitly know versus what Miko herself implies. It could just be that Koishi has no true desires or long-term aims, but rather unconscious or undirected whims guiding her like a dandelion seed on the winds. It could be that it was a throw-away line included by Tasofro as post-battle excuse talk. It could even be Zun drunk at the wheel forgetting what powers he gave what characters again.
“这提法是很早就有了的,但我还是会坚持我现在的对神子能力的理解,基于我们已经都很清楚的那些(设定),而不是神子她自己说的那些(对白)。这可能只是由于恋没有真正的欲望或者长期的目标,而是无意识或者没有方向的一时兴起在引导着她,就像个风中的蒲公英种子一样。这还可能只是黄昏随手加的战斗后台词。这还甚至可能是神主又喝高了忘了她给的什么角色什么能力了。”
>It could even be Zun drunk at the wheel forgetting what powers he gave what characters again.
This
“(这还甚至可能是神主又喝高了忘了她给的什么角色什么能力了。
顶。”
喝高了好顶赞,弄得有时候我也想来一杯试试看了
【67】
Conditional mind reading gets you adored, true mind reading makes you an outcast. Some logic.
Do you think Miko could teach Satori how to be loved?
“有限的读心使你受人崇拜,真正的读心使你遭人驱逐。有点道理。
你们认为神子会教觉怎样受人欢迎吗?”
That would be interesting. How would they ever meet?
“那会挺有趣的。她们要怎么才会见面呢?”
Unfortunately, I don't think Miko would make time to help out a youkai. Maybe due to their shared nature she might make an exception, however.
“不幸的是,我不觉得神子会花时间去帮助一名妖怪。也许由于她们共有的天性她会破一次例,然而。”
She would if it could improve her image among the humans.
“她会如果这么做能够提升她在人群中的形象。”
It could be a pretty good PR stunt, Miko could probably convince others that she has "Fixed" Satori or something.
“这可以是一场相当绝妙的公关,神子能没准使他们相信她已经‘修理’了觉还是什么的。”
试想……如果圣白莲“拉拢”了恋,而神子又“拉拢”了觉,空还在神奈子的“手上”,燐则以火车妖怪的身份投在猯藏“门下”,这下子一场战争就可以来啦(拖
【68】
This thread on page ten? I'll not allow it. C'mon guys, you'll hurt Satori's feelings.
“这版掉到第十页了?我可不会允许这样。别缩了伙计们,你们这会伤到觉的心的。”
【接下来一干刷图的】
Aaand apparently the last image I had was already in this thread. Anyways, what's your favorite thing about Satori? Mine is her hair. I want to brush the hell out of it.
“啊啊很显然什么我收的图都会在这张版里面出现。不管怎么说,什么是你最喜欢觉的地方?我的话是她的头发。我好他么想梳一下啊啊。”

Oh man, that's tough. I like her kindness to animals and towards the outcast. I like her sense of hospitality despite being ostracized by society. I like that she dresses a bit on the frumpy side. I like the fact that her heart is actually outside her body, meaning that when you cuddle it's pretty much impossible to be closer. I like that she can read your mind; no other being will ever know or understand you as well as Satori, your greatest strengths and deepest fears. It removes a great deal of the stress that inherently accompanies human interaction.
“(1/2)老天,那可真难。我喜欢她对动物以及流浪者的善心。我喜欢她尽管为社会所排斥但仍热情待人。我喜欢她穿得像有点儿古旧。我喜欢事实上她的心脏其实是在身体外面的,这意味着当你抱她的时候基本不可能靠得太近。我喜欢她能够读心;再没有别的人会像觉那样更知道或者理解你,对你最大的长处以及最深的恐惧。这除去了一大堆伴随着人际交往所固有的压力。 ”
I like her taste in interior decoration. I like that she is a great reader and author, going so far as to anonymously publish her works above-ground, which shows an interest in the dissemination of her ideas in the very world that spurned her and a thoughtfulness not often found in Gensokyo.
It's honestly harder to list what I dislike about Satori.
“(2/2)我喜欢她对于家内装饰的品味。我喜欢她是一位优异的读者以及作者,甚至于有匿名在地面上发表过作品,这表示她有兴趣传播自己的想法、就在这个嫌恶她的世界中,并且这种思虑在幻想乡还未见谁有过。
老实说要列出我讨厌觉的地方会比这更难。”
说的身为一个觉厨我不回复都不好意思了!发表日期2013年7月5日现在还不算迟!(拖远
I would be happy to be friends with her. I'm certain she is nice to be around and talk with. Don't even want anything sexual with her, and if such fleeting thoughts inevitably come then I'm certain she wouldn't mind or be a smartass witty bitch about it. Maybe she would take it as a compliment.
I mean in the end I didn't rape her or something.
“我会很高兴和她做朋友的。我肯定她是很容易相处以及交谈的。压根就别想什么跟她来性的事,而就算是有些这闪过的想法无可避免会出现,那我也肯定她是不会介意的,或者还会幽默诙谐地点上几句。没准她会把这视为是一种恭维。
我说毕竟我又不会对她做什么很不好的事情。”
【69、觉恋】

【无回复,觉得有趣就扒过来了OwO】
阅读顺序右上—>右下—>左上—>左下:
【被捕获了(方框内字)】
恋:“啧……弄不开……真是讨厌的拘束!!”
觉:“恋!你……那是……”
恋:“啊,姐姐!帮帮我——!”
觉:“……等等!在这之前——”
【掏出】
觉:“先给你照几张吧。”
恋:“哈?”
【相机拍摄音】
觉:“啊—现在的恋真是太棒了!!多么多么的诱人啊!很好!!”
恋:“不要!!快停下!!”
觉:“不会停下的喔。”
恋:“不要啊!!”
那么问题来了,到底最开始是谁把恋捆在那里的?
【70、觉蕾米】

A vampire is added
“多一个吸血鬼了”
Satori left the underground, in her sleepwear?
“觉离开了地底,穿着她的睡衣?”
Girls are having a sleepover, please wait warmly.
“少女过夜中,请热心等待。(不过对STG死忠玩家后半句可能不翻都更好)”
看到please wait warmly这句我就想起跑去打开了红魔乡!好怀念的启动画面!妖妖梦以及永夜抄都有!
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